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#305015 - 08/31/16 11:27 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: California Flyer]
Jarhead Offline
New Member

Registered: 08/28/16
Posts: 2
Loc: NM
I just joined, I do not currently own any aircraft, I've had my private pilot's license since 2004 and I am interested in purchasing an older 172. I'm looking forward to learning from all of you.

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#305055 - 08/31/16 01:53 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Jarhead]
N5479R Offline
Gold Pilot

Registered: 04/13/14
Posts: 2223
Loc: Florida
Welcome to the Club! You'll find that this is a friendly, knowledgeable group with a number of members who own older 172s. Take some time to search older posts and you will find hours of worthwhile reading.

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#305239 - 09/01/16 05:20 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: N5479R]
Jarhead Offline
New Member

Registered: 08/28/16
Posts: 2
Loc: NM
Thanks

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#305639 - 09/05/16 05:09 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Jarhead]
Peedie Montgomery Offline
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Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 3455
Loc: Hickory, NC
Welcome Jarhead, this is a wonderful site so enjoy.
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#305706 - 09/06/16 05:01 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Peedie Montgomery]
VRBLOCAL Offline
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Registered: 09/04/16
Posts: 2
Loc: Florida
Hey guys! just joined. I earned my ppl in 2009 and couldn't afford to fly much afterwards due to college and recently pick up the hobby again and have the flying itch worse than ever.

I'm an Air Traffic Controller in Vero Beach FL, and plan on purchasing an aircraft a few years down the road, renting for now. Seems the lovely skyhawk fits my mission for now.

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#305707 - 09/06/16 05:30 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: VRBLOCAL]
Wayne R Offline
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Registered: 07/17/12
Posts: 2001
Loc: Central Pennsylvania
Welcome VRBLOCAL. Looking to hear from you about your experiences.
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#305749 - 09/06/16 02:50 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: VRBLOCAL]
Kentucky Captain Online   content
Gold Pilot

Registered: 06/13/14
Posts: 1297
Loc: Mount Washington, KY
Originally Posted By: VRBLOCAL
Hey guys! just joined. I earned my ppl in 2009 and couldn't afford to fly much afterwards due to college and recently pick up the hobby again and have the flying itch worse than ever.

I'm an Air Traffic Controller in Vero Beach FL, and plan on purchasing an aircraft a few years down the road, renting for now. Seems the lovely skyhawk fits my mission for now.


Welcome aboard. There are a couple of us old retired controllers here on the forum. I retired from KSDF two years ago. I bought a C172 just after retiring, redid the panel, and got my instrument rating.

Haven't been to VRB in a while but would like to get back there and tour the Piper and Aerocomp factory.
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#305774 - 09/06/16 04:48 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Kentucky Captain]
N5479R Offline
Gold Pilot

Registered: 04/13/14
Posts: 2223
Loc: Florida
Welcome, VRBLOCAL! In the late 1980's I flew my Grumman Cheetah down to visit the Piper Factory at Vero Beach. Not sure they really appreciated that but were nice just the same. Been thinking about stopping in for lunch at C J Cannons in the near future. Maybe you'll be working the tower then. Hopefully I won't annoy you.

The interesting thing about Skyhawks is that they are a good all around airplane. They are roomy and comfortable. You can fly them locally without going broke on AVGAS and still fly long cross country flights as well. I've had mine as far West as Stinson Field in San Antonio, as far North as St. Ignace, Michigan and many places in between there and Florida. I have often told myself that with patience and a 172 you can go anywhere. And when some wise guy blows past you in his Mooney like you are standing still, you'll understand the need for the patience.

With two adults, full fuel and baggage it works quite well. If your needs are for more folks than that or you just can't enjoy life at 120 mph, then you might want to consider other makes and models. More speed and more load carrying ability comes at a price, both at purchase, then insurance and at annual time.

Anyway, there is a wealth of experience in this Club. Take advantage of it and enjoy your flying!

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#305811 - 09/06/16 09:59 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: N5479R]
Kentucky Captain Online   content
Gold Pilot

Registered: 06/13/14
Posts: 1297
Loc: Mount Washington, KY
Originally Posted By: N5479R
Welcome, VRBLOCAL! In the late 1980's I flew my Grumman Cheetah down to visit the Piper Factory at Vero Beach. Not sure they really appreciated that but were nice just the same. Been thinking about stopping in for lunch at C J Cannons in the near future. Maybe you'll be working the tower then. Hopefully I won't annoy you.

The interesting thing about Skyhawks is that they are a good all around airplane. They are roomy and comfortable. You can fly them locally without going broke on AVGAS and still fly long cross country flights as well. I've had mine as far West as Stinson Field in San Antonio, as far North as St. Ignace, Michigan and many places in between there and Florida. I have often told myself that with patience and a 172 you can go anywhere. And when some wise guy blows past you in his Mooney like you are standing still, you'll understand the need for the patience.

With two adults, full fuel and baggage it works quite well. If your needs are for more folks than that or you just can't enjoy life at 120 mph, then you might want to consider other makes and models. More speed and more load carrying ability comes at a price, both at purchase, then insurance and at annual time.

Anyway, there is a wealth of experience in this Club. Take advantage of it and enjoy your flying!


Well said, but that doesn't keep me from lusting after a 180 hp upgrade.
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#305834 - 09/07/16 06:35 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Kentucky Captain]
VRBLOCAL Offline
New Member

Registered: 09/04/16
Posts: 2
Loc: Florida
Thanks all for the warm welcome. Anytime someone wants to fly into VRB come by! Even schedule a tower tour if you have time.

The 172 appeals to me as a first aircraft due to affordability, it's a common aircraft on the market and for repair/parts. Also I only have 130-140ish hours of flight experience and want to start in a "starter" aircraft before I dive head first, into something too expensive or complex for my experience.

I look forward to getting to know people, read about their experiences, and learn lots of new things. Unfortunately life has saving for an airplane on hold until I pay for a coming up wedding and possibly move somewhere to settle down.

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#306559 - 09/13/16 03:16 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: VRBLOCAL]
Buster1 Offline
Safety Pilot

Registered: 09/11/16
Posts: 31
Loc: Las Vegas
Hi guys, I'm new here. Thanks for letting me join up.

A little about me. I'm a retired USAF F-16 pilot and now work for Lockheed Martin as a Test Pilot. I am a Beech Bonanza V35A owner (don't hate me, I have a lot of C-172/182 time!) and have flown GA for most of my life, and I continue to love flying and aviation, as well as all things that fly.

I also wrote a book (more on that over in the FS section) and am a guest writer for Fightersweep and Avgeekery if you're familiar with those internet places.

Thanks for having me!


Edited by Buster1 (09/13/16 03:53 PM)
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#306592 - 09/14/16 12:04 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Buster1]
California Flyer Offline
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Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 6197
Loc: Groveland, California
Welcome Buster1 and everyone else! My neighborhood has at least one retired test pilot who always has wonderful stories to tell, especially if you coax him a bit with some Jack Daniels smile He spent his test pilot days at Edwards AFB (back when it was known as Muroc) and knew Pancho Barnes and all the other cast of characters.
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#306603 - 09/14/16 06:47 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: California Flyer]
Kentucky Captain Online   content
Gold Pilot

Registered: 06/13/14
Posts: 1297
Loc: Mount Washington, KY
Originally Posted By: California Flyer
Welcome Buster1 and everyone else! My neighborhood has at least one retired test pilot who always has wonderful stories to tell, especially if you coax him a bit with some Jack Daniels smile He spent his test pilot days at Edwards AFB (back when it was known as Muroc) and knew Pancho Barnes and all the other cast of characters.


Those are always the interesting characters. I used to fly R/C sailplanes competitively in thermal duration and cross country events. We had a few of them in our traveling band of merry men. One in particular was Bob Champine. He was a NASA test pilot and was the 6th man and 3rd civilian to break the speed of sound. He flew with the likes of Bob Hoover and Chuck Yeager. He flew for NASA for 32 years. He helped develop and flew the lunar lander test modules and the space shuttle simulator. He had over 11,000 hours flying all kinds of experimental aircraft. He had all of his test flight film made into a VCR tape (it was the 80's) and brought it to one of our contests and we had the privilege of watching it during one of our Saturday night dinners. Bob truly had big brass appendages.
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#306954 - 09/18/16 06:25 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Challenger1]
Challenger1 Online   content
Gold Pilot

Registered: 03/23/16
Posts: 1928
Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
Originally Posted By: Challenger1
Hello everyone.
Student pilot here, almost there now. Planning my second solo cross country as I type this. Just wanted to join and see what I can learn and hopefully share some knowledge too. Love the 172S! My real name is Gary


Hello again,

Finally got it done, earned my private pilot certificate last week. Took me a while but worth it! Still have lots to learn.

Now I can spend more time here. Plan to continue renting my schools 172s with 180hp motors, they have 3 of them. 2 have GNS530s in them and the the third have a G1000 in it. Maybe someday I could buy my own plane? Gary
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#306958 - 09/18/16 06:56 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Challenger1]
Davey1 Offline
Safety Pilot

Registered: 05/18/11
Posts: 69
Loc: Missouri
Welcome. Im retired FAA Techops. I retired Dec 2015and fly a 1975 172M out of KALN just across the river.

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#306967 - 09/18/16 08:50 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Davey1]
California Flyer Offline
Diamond Pilot

Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 6197
Loc: Groveland, California
Congratulations Challenger1! I am a fan of the 172S as well. Mine isn't a G1000 but I prefer round gauges anyway.
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#306971 - 09/18/16 09:10 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Davey1]
KevinMcP Offline
Gold Pilot

Registered: 08/13/10
Posts: 1665
Loc: Dothan, Al
Welcome Davey
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#306989 - 09/18/16 02:14 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: KevinMcP]
Viper_96 Offline
Gold Pilot

Registered: 03/09/15
Posts: 2026
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
Welcome to the forum Davey, beautiful flying in the Mid-West this time of year!

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#307456 - 09/22/16 05:00 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Viper_96]
Jdragon Offline
New Member

Registered: 09/21/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Quakertown,PA
Hello! New member here! While Im not a pilot yet, I am looking to buy a 172 ASAP. Like many of you, its been something in the back of my mind for 20+ years but Im finally doing it (much to the dismay of my wife!). I started training locally already and I found a great instructor. A close friend and I are doing it simultaneously and the math on buying a plane VS renting is a no brainer. I started searching and found a few that we may look at already. We are cash buyers (buying the plane together) and have champagne taste on a beer budget, LOL. We want to keep it at or under 40k for acquisition costs, understanding already that inspections will cost more. We are also already prepared for hanger costs, yearly inspections, etc.

Long term goal is to getting something like a 206 (obviously at a greater cost and we are planning for that) but we want to get several hundred hours each, IFR, and significantly more training before we move towards that size plane.

Im very "safety" conscience and I already have a few ideas about what will make me more comfortable in the plane and whatever we purchase, I have a few things that we will add immediately.Im sure some of this is my own naivety, but I really want engine management gauges to monitor things like RPM, EGT/CHT, Carb temp, and manifold pressure. I know a lot of that isnt deemed necessary to many, but I believe in it- so if what we buy does not have it, then we will add.

I run my boat 70+ miles offshore and I have it set up in such a way that I trust it and I am given access to enough information to make the best decisions on when to run, when the engine needs work, when to cancel, when something isnt just right....etc. If I do all of that on my boat- I figure I should do at least that much on a plane.

Sorry to post so much on an intro thread - Im sure I will have tons of questions as I learn more about flying and finalize my choice in a 172.

BTW - the rental that I have been using for training and will continue to use until we buy one..is also a 172.

Thank You

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#307475 - 09/22/16 06:29 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Jdragon]
theboys3 Offline
Pilot in Command

Registered: 08/25/11
Posts: 303
Loc: Lincoln Ne, plant city fl
I probably wouldn't put a lot in to a 172 that you don't plan to keep. I bought a 172 when I started to train and never regretted buying. I kept it for two years and sold it for 2000$ more than I paid. Kind of wished I would have kept. Bought a 205 ( like a 206) that I still have. I did the panel upgrade on it with Aspen new 530w garmin. Great plane. Doesn't get flown much anymore so might have to put on market one of these days. I fly a Malibu mostly now and am principal in flight school with several 172s.

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#307476 - 09/22/16 06:39 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: theboys3]
Jdragon Offline
New Member

Registered: 09/21/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Quakertown,PA
Originally Posted By: theboys3
I probably wouldn't put a lot in to a 172 that you don't plan to keep. I bought a 172 when I started to train and never regretted buying. I kept it for two years and sold it for 2000$ more than I paid. Kind of wished I would have kept. Bought a 205 ( like a 206) that I still have. I did the panel upgrade on it with Aspen new 530w garmin. Great plane. Doesn't get flown much anymore so might have to put on market one of these days. I fly a Malibu mostly now and am principal in flight school with several 172s.


Whats a lot? Is my posted budget in line with a smart number? I figured that I want to buy one that is easy to fly and easy to sell, which means in a lower price range but still nice.

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#307479 - 09/22/16 07:32 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Jdragon]
theboys3 Offline
Pilot in Command

Registered: 08/25/11
Posts: 303
Loc: Lincoln Ne, plant city fl
I just sold a very nice 69 172 for a friend for 28500. I would try to find a m model if possible. Can't beat the e2d engine. Probably run mid 30s for one that's decent. I have two m models and teo n models. Very reliable.

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#307483 - 09/22/16 07:56 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: theboys3]
Jdragon Offline
New Member

Registered: 09/21/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Quakertown,PA
Originally Posted By: theboys3
I just sold a very nice 69 172 for a friend for 28500. I would try to find a m model if possible. Can't beat the e2d engine. Probably run mid 30s for one that's decent. I have two m models and teo n models. Very reliable.


Front runner right now is a 69 K model.

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#307618 - 09/24/16 09:05 AM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Jdragon]
Willie Offline
Platinum Pilot

Registered: 12/28/10
Posts: 4728
Loc: Ft McMurray Alberta Canada
Originally Posted By: Jdragon


Whats a lot? Is my posted budget in line with a smart number? I figured that I want to buy one that is easy to fly and easy to sell, which means in a lower price range but still nice.


I have a 78 that I just put an E2D engine in that cost a lot , but my wife won't let me buy another plane. Cost 38K to convert to this engine
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#307755 - 09/25/16 04:57 PM Re: New Member Introductions 2016 [Re: Jdragon]
Kentucky Captain Online   content
Gold Pilot

Registered: 06/13/14
Posts: 1297
Loc: Mount Washington, KY
Originally Posted By: Jdragon
Hello! New member here! While Im not a pilot yet, I am looking to buy a 172 ASAP. Like many of you, its been something in the back of my mind for 20+ years but Im finally doing it (much to the dismay of my wife!). I started training locally already and I found a great instructor. A close friend and I are doing it simultaneously and the math on buying a plane VS renting is a no brainer. I started searching and found a few that we may look at already. We are cash buyers (buying the plane together) and have champagne taste on a beer budget, LOL. We want to keep it at or under 40k for acquisition costs, understanding already that inspections will cost more. We are also already prepared for hanger costs, yearly inspections, etc.

Long term goal is to getting something like a 206 (obviously at a greater cost and we are planning for that) but we want to get several hundred hours each, IFR, and significantly more training before we move towards that size plane.

Im very "safety" conscience and I already have a few ideas about what will make me more comfortable in the plane and whatever we purchase, I have a few things that we will add immediately.Im sure some of this is my own naivety, but I really want engine management gauges to monitor things like RPM, EGT/CHT, Carb temp, and manifold pressure. I know a lot of that isnt deemed necessary to many, but I believe in it- so if what we buy does not have it, then we will add.

I run my boat 70+ miles offshore and I have it set up in such a way that I trust it and I am given access to enough information to make the best decisions on when to run, when the engine needs work, when to cancel, when something isnt just right....etc. If I do all of that on my boat- I figure I should do at least that much on a plane.

Sorry to post so much on an intro thread - Im sure I will have tons of questions as I learn more about flying and finalize my choice in a 172.


You make several statements that lead me to believe that you feel the same as I do abut flying.

Safety
IFR ticket
Several hundred hours each

The first thing to keep in mind is that most all of the money that you spend on the airplane will be for your benefit only. You will not realize it in the eventual sale of the airplane. If you can accept that and still want to proceed, you are well on your way to the fastest way to spend money, ever. Personally, I was good with that. I have come under some criticism over the amount of money that I have spent on my plane but I feel much better, flying equipped the way I am now, especially in hard IMC. My case is somewhat different than yours in that I intend to keep my plane for a long time but just because you say you plan to upgrade in a few years doesn't mean you will. You may find the the C172 suits your needs. For me, all I need now is a 180hp upgrade at next engine change and the 250lb. gross weight increase that brings with it and I'm good to go.

There were certain things that I considered paramount in my quest to make my bird as safe as possible.

I replaced all exterior lights with LEDs. Pulse landing light, LED strobes and beacon, LED position lights. The original equipment was like waving a candle in the breeze.

BAS shoulder harnesses. There was a report done by either the NTSB or the FAA that determined that 50% of all fatal aircraft accidents would have been survivable if they would have been wearing shoulder harnesses to stop the head trauma of smacking the panel.

IFR rating. One very significant number in aviation losses is VFR into IMC. Obtaining my instrument rating was crucial to me in becoming a safer pilot.

Updating panel. I got carried away with the panel upgrade a little. I have to agree with you about the engine monitor. It gives you a much more complete picture of what's going on out front. The fuel flow itself is worth the price of admission. I know exactly where I am on fuel instead of guessing, especially on those long flights with the ever present headwind. I designed the rest of the panel with my instrument rating in mind. I did my research to find what I wanted in a new panel. I used XPanel software to design the panel layout and finalize all of the particulars. Then I found a dealer to do the work. Something else you may want to consider when you have the airplane gutted is to replace the ELT. Most of our birds have old 121.5 ELTs. 121.5 is no longer activly monitored by satellites. Even when they were, the response time for 406mhz is a fraction of what 121.5 was. Something I like is the fact that my 406mhz ELT has a panel mounted annuciator that allows monitoring and activation from the front. I always thought that it was stupid that you had to wait for the crash to activate an ELT. It would be nice if you could get the ball rolling before you hit the ground.

After getting the airplane back and familiarizing myself with the operation of the new equipment, I found an instructor and did an accelerated instrument course. 35 hours of flying in six days, over a quarter of it hard IMC, with a check ride at the end leaves one tired and worn out, but satisfied.

I have done a great amount of research on equipment for my plane and would share it with anyone interested. Most people have more sense than me and won't want to spend the amount that I have but there is a lot of good info to pick and choose from.

Here is what I did to my M model.
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