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#41276 - 07/02/11 10:51 AM Convert swept tail to straight tail
Lloyd Biddlecome Offline
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Registered: 03/19/11
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Loc: Astoria, Oregon
Does anyone know if you can put a early straight tail onto a 1960 swept tail 172?

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#41296 - 07/02/11 01:45 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Lloyd Biddlecome]
EdW Offline
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Registered: 11/21/10
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Loc: Just east of Graceland
Talk to an ASI at the PDX FSDO. Explain what you want to do, see if he would entertain a Field Approval. If yes, look for a shop with rebuild/sheet metal experience and get their input. Then look at the money involved. If it's within your aviation budget, as they say here in the south, "gofert"

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#41313 - 07/02/11 06:20 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: EdW]
MMfly Offline
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Registered: 05/10/10
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Loc: Canada
the major structure change would be the last bulkhead. On the straight tail the lower rudder hinge is incorporated in the casting. On the swept it is removed. not sure if control cables are the same.

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#41318 - 07/02/11 07:01 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: MMfly]
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I'm sure it is doable and it sounds like a worthy challenge, but the ignoramus in me just has to ask: Wouldn't it be much cheaper and easier just to peddle swept tail bird and buy a straight-tailed?
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#41333 - 07/02/11 08:12 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Cessna Dude]
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It's probably doable, but it would be a labor of love - there would be no way to recoup the cost when it came time to sell it. My advice would be to come up with a reasonable estimate of the costs (it will significanly higher than you would think possible) involved, then add to that amount what you fouls sell your current airplane for in today's market and that number becomes your budget for your quest to buy a "pick of the liter" straight tail. My bet is that you'd be money ahead selling the one you've got.

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#41340 - 07/02/11 09:13 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Ward Holbrook]
Lloyd Biddlecome Offline
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I have both planes, a 1957 straight tail with tri gear and a 1960 swept tail with conventional gear. The 60 has 170b legs and P.Ponk boxes. I just thought it would be easier to swap the tail than the gear.

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#41341 - 07/02/11 09:18 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Lloyd Biddlecome]
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Two planes? What a problem to have! smile

Would love to see some photos of your birds Lloyd.
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#41342 - 07/02/11 09:19 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Lloyd Biddlecome]
Lloyd Biddlecome Offline
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Loc: Astoria, Oregon
I really just want to know can I put a 57 vertical tail and rudder/rear bulk head on a 60 fuse, and is it under a field approval or another method. The parts or labor is not an issue.

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#41364 - 07/02/11 11:54 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Lloyd Biddlecome]
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Originally Posted By: Lloyd Biddlecome
I really just want to know can I put a 57 vertical tail and rudder/rear bulk head on a 60 fuse, and is it under a field approval or another method. The parts or labor is not an issue.

I'm sure it's possible. Whether or not it's economically feasible to swap the two vertical stabs and rudders between your two airplanes would have to be answered by someone like EdW or one of the other experienced maintenance types around here. One of the things that I have learned in the 45 years that I've been flying airplanes is that nothing ever ends up being as easy or as cheap as it seems like it should be. I guess for starters, I'd probably give one of the light aircraft maintenance guys at your local FSDO a call and get their input. When all of the dust settles, they are the ones that are going to pass off on this anyway. I'm guessing two field approvals - one for each airplane. However, what the Feds will require of you to get this is anyone's guess. Good luck.

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#41370 - 07/03/11 01:18 AM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Lloyd Biddlecome]
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Originally Posted By: Lloyd Biddlecome
I really just want to know can I put a 57 vertical tail and rudder/rear bulk head on a 60 fuse, and is it under a field approval or another method. The parts or labor is not an issue.


I would think that legally and with full approval the answer would be no, but as a private owner operator, there is very little restricting you if you go the experimental route. I have to agree with my other friends though, that this would be a hiding to nothing in performance or aesthetics.
To be truthful, I can't see the point in making a hybrid from two classics?
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#41428 - 07/03/11 05:45 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: wrecksum]
MMfly Offline
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Registered: 05/10/10
Posts: 39
Loc: Canada
I'm pretty sure there was a kit to update the straight tail to a swept tail way back then or I read about it in some forum.
All cessna parts..should be easy smile

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#41622 - 07/05/11 02:01 AM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: MMfly]
Lloyd Biddlecome Offline
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Registered: 03/19/11
Posts: 9
Loc: Astoria, Oregon
I may just move ahead with the TW conversion on my 1957 plane, that was my first intention anyway. The 1960 plane is factory corrosion proofed and real solid low time. I think to find a spare square vertical tail and rudder for it would be an easy modification, but unfortunately it may not be allowed. I'll do a little more research on this, but it may have to remain a swept tail.
thanks for the input guys.

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#41786 - 07/07/11 02:36 AM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Lloyd Biddlecome]
Nightowl Offline
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Registered: 02/14/10
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Loc: Northwest lower Michigan
Why?

As one who has owned both straight tail (150) and swept tail (172s), why would one want to spend resources to convert the latter configuration to the former? What am I missing? I could think of a lot of more productive things to do with my time and money.

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#41820 - 07/07/11 02:29 PM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Nightowl]
Ed M Offline
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Registered: 08/31/10
Posts: 134
Loc: Oregon, USA
Why choose the PDX FISDO?

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#41884 - 07/08/11 12:36 AM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: Ed M]
EdW Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ed M
Why choose the PDX FISDO?
'cause it's close to Astoria. By the way, best Salmon ever to pass my lips came fresh from Astoria. Good botique beer, also.

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#41886 - 07/08/11 02:13 AM Re: Convert swept tail to straight tail [Re: EdW]
Ed M Offline
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Registered: 08/31/10
Posts: 134
Loc: Oregon, USA
That makes sense, I was racking my brain wondering either more lenient or expert ASI, which has not been my experience.

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